Episode Transcript
[00:00:15] Speaker A: What's up, you guys? Michael here from the proper form podcast. Really excited for episode number six today with David Belis. He's here with me, man. We. I'm sure we'll chat a little bit about kind of our background together, how we got to know each other. Yeah. And where we're at now. I think we've added quite a few kiddos to our arsenals individually. And you more so on the girl side, me more so on the guy side.
[00:00:39] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:00:40] Speaker A: So excited to hear about some of those dynamics, but, yeah, David is an amazing man. Amazing father, husband, man of God. The things that he kind of mentioned here is son of the Lord, husband to the beautiful Mikayla.
[00:00:52] Speaker B: Amen.
[00:00:54] Speaker A: And then father to two people.
[00:00:56] Speaker B: Father to three.
[00:00:57] Speaker A: I'm sorry, we just added one, two, three. Father to two. Three beautiful little girls.
[00:01:02] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:01:03] Speaker A: And what are their names?
[00:01:05] Speaker B: So our oldest is Kya. She's six, or about to be six. Our middle daughter is joy. She's three. And our youngest is Winnie. And she's one.
[00:01:16] Speaker A: Awesome. Is it w I n n?
[00:01:18] Speaker B: No, it's wy, because she's named after my wife's mother, who's Winanda, which is a dutch name, but she goes by Winnie. And she's been. She's gone by Winnie her whole life. But we spelled it the same way.
[00:01:32] Speaker A: So you got some Dutch in the bloodline, huh?
[00:01:34] Speaker B: Oh, the Dutch is strong. So my wife, her dad is, like, 100% italian. Olive skin, dark hair, dark eyes, like, came out of the godfather. Her mom is Dutch. Blue eyes, blonde hair. Like the towhead hair. A little bit like, what the vibes you're giving me right now.
[00:01:54] Speaker A: Yeah, I got a little strawberry in here.
[00:01:55] Speaker B: Yeah, that's true. And I would have thought the Italian would win every time. Cause it's so, like, dominant.
[00:02:02] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:02:03] Speaker B: The Dutch is undefeated.
[00:02:04] Speaker A: Has taken over.
[00:02:05] Speaker B: Undefeated. We've gone, like, three generations of the dutch gene, kicking out every competitor, every blonde blue eye. My daughter's blonde blue eyes. So the duchess is strong.
[00:02:16] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:02:17] Speaker B: And all of our girls are named after someone in her family, so.
[00:02:21] Speaker A: You're talking about Corvo, right?
[00:02:23] Speaker B: Corbo, yeah.
[00:02:23] Speaker A: Gosh, I miss that guy.
[00:02:25] Speaker B: He's awesome.
[00:02:25] Speaker A: I need to see him again.
[00:02:27] Speaker B: He's my father in law. He's my mentor. He's who I want to be when I grow up.
[00:02:31] Speaker A: He's just stud. I mean, if you ever have the chance to meet Doctor Corbo, listen to every word that comes out of his mouth.
[00:02:37] Speaker B: Gold.
[00:02:38] Speaker A: And just put it in a treasure box and lock it up. Because he's amazing. Gosh, I haven't seen him in a long time. Tell him I said, hey. I would love to connect with him.
[00:02:47] Speaker B: I will.
[00:02:47] Speaker A: But. And then lastly, you are a pastor at Gateway church, and there's a lot to that position and what you're doing, which I'm really excited to hear about. But, man, if we could go back just a little bit. I know we met years ago, kind of when I was in the midst of some heavy, heavy kind of crossfit training, trying to pursue Crossfit game stuff. Never went. We went to regionals on a team I was on. That's when I was with the true lab supplement company. You're working out with us. At that time, you guys were. You and Michaela were married. You guys are going on how many years now?
[00:03:19] Speaker B: We are going on nine.
[00:03:20] Speaker A: Okay. Yep. So Stephanie and I are going on eight, I believe. Yeah. And no, I don't think you guys had the kiddos yet.
[00:03:29] Speaker B: You were one of the first people that I told we were pregnant.
[00:03:31] Speaker A: Okay. At the gym.
[00:03:33] Speaker B: Yeah, I was at the gym. In the sauna.
[00:03:35] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:03:36] Speaker B: Cause we just found out. And, you know, I was like, I didn't know how to process it. And it's like, well, you got to tell the boys. So I was like, I'm getting. We're pregnant. Three guys in a saunas, just sweating together. Yeah. And you're like, oh, congrats.
[00:03:51] Speaker A: Hey.
[00:03:51] Speaker B: Some good conversations continued to just stare in silence.
[00:03:55] Speaker A: So funny. Oh, my gosh. And how old were you at that time? I mean, obviously six years ago, so.
[00:04:02] Speaker B: Yep. So that was what? I'm. I'm 30. Yeah.
[00:04:06] Speaker A: Wow. So you guys.
[00:04:07] Speaker B: You were you 2324-2324 yeah, man.
[00:04:11] Speaker A: You guys got married. How old were you when you got married?
[00:04:13] Speaker B: I was 21. My wife is 20. Cause I constantly remind her she couldn't legally drink at her wedding, so she broke the law.
[00:04:19] Speaker A: Wow. Gosh.
[00:04:21] Speaker B: Yeah, she's kind of. She's kind of on the run right now, man.
[00:04:26] Speaker A: So you guys got married young? You guys. How long were you together before that?
[00:04:30] Speaker B: So we've been together a really long time. So we actually met when we were in middle school.
[00:04:35] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:04:36] Speaker B: Maybe even right before. Cause I was.
I think she moved here when she was fifth grade. I was 6th grade, but we met at the bus stop. So the first time I ever locked eyes on my beautiful wife, I was in 7th grade, she was in 6th grade, and she came on the bus. Yeah, but at that time in middle school, you're not supposed to date someone in a different grade. It's like, just like social status.
[00:05:02] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:05:03] Speaker B: You know, in high school, it's fine. In middle school, it's not fine. So I told my friend who was in her grade, I was like, dude, you need to date her. Trust me, she's gonna be hot when she's older. That's the first thing I ever said about my wife.
[00:05:14] Speaker A: That's awesome. That is crazy.
[00:05:16] Speaker B: I have a little prophetic lean. Yeah, clearly.
[00:05:19] Speaker A: Golly. So you guys went to school, and then when did you officially gain the confidence? Felt like the social status was okay.
[00:05:26] Speaker B: I was ready to go the second we hit high school. Cause that's when it became, like, socially acceptable to date someone younger than you.
I came on a little strong. We became very good friends, and she was not ready to get out of the friendship. Cause in her mind, which was very. It's logical. Looking back at the time, I thought it was the stupidest thing ever. But at the time, she was saying, if we date, we might lose our friendship.
Odds are we're not gonna stay together for the rest of our life. And I'm like, that's terrible logic. If we wanna date, we should date.
[00:05:57] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:05:58] Speaker B: She kept me at arm's length until my junior year. Her sophomore year.
[00:06:05] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:06:06] Speaker B: I was consistently pursuing, though, and there was never another girl that I cared about even remotely close to Mikayla. So everyone knew that. I mean, people knew, oh, they're gonna get married. Oh, he's gonna marry Michaela. Even Mikayla, when she wouldn't date me, she told her friends, I know I'm gonna marry David. And I'm like, then let's date. Go on. You know, holding your cards back. But she was probably, like usual, way smarter than me and probably the right move to wait till we were a little bit more mature.
[00:06:37] Speaker A: Totally. Well, I'm sure there's definitely some humor and some laughter there, but on kind of a getting a little serious note, kind of just the wiser David you are now. I've just been appreciative just to continue to see your journey. I know we haven't really crossed paths as much over the years, but I respect the heck out of you as a man and just the way you pursue your bride and your kids and what you do through your church and your job, all of that. But if you could look back at the younger David and Michaela and seeing some of that, I don't know if I wanna call it reservation, but just maybe speed that Michaela was at, and just like, you're all in this I think there's probably a lot of, correct me if I'm wrong, a lot of that in you guys today. But how have you seen that transform as you've grown and become wiser?
[00:07:25] Speaker B: Seeing what transformed the, like, just your.
[00:07:28] Speaker A: Passion, your energy, the speed. And then, like, maybe Mikayla's added a lot of steadiness to y'all's relationship. Did you elaborate?
[00:07:36] Speaker B: Yeah. I think that the Lord always, you know, if you look at it biblically, men and women are different, and we don't even want to talk about it today. Cause we're so hesitant to get canceled and talk about gender. But it's like, no, that's a beautiful thing. Men and women are different. We've sometimes gotten it wrong because we pigeonhole, like, oh, no, men have to be like, you know, power tools and red meat. And it's like, well, that's not exactly biblical manhood, but there are things that God's called men to do, and there's things that God has called women to do, and there's different giftings. And those things, when you bring them together, they do two things. They cause friction, but as the Bible says, friction sharpens one another, and it brings a unity and a collaboration that wasn't there before. The Bible talks about how two are better than one and a quarter, three strands, because when you do it with the Lord, is that third strand, like, nothing can break that. So we're on a constant journey of me encouraging her to go and to do what God's put in her heart, because if she's left to her own devices, she might not ever start something.
And she helps me with finishing because I'm so fast moving that I'll get really excited about something, start it. And then midway through, I'm like, eh, I wanna start something else.
[00:09:04] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:09:04] Speaker B: So she's the finisher and I'm the starter. And that's just one of the things that we found in our marriage, that we actually can come together and be better together.
And what I would tell my younger self, and I've thought about this a lot, what I would tell my younger self when 16 year old David is just, like, so stressed. Cause he wants to start dating Michaela, or 18 year old David, who's, like, so stressed about college, or 21 year old David, who's, like, got this new job and is stressed to be successful or whatever. I would usually always say the same thing. If this David was to talk to a younger David, and I only had, like, 10 seconds, you know, 30 seconds to talk to him, I'd probably say the same thing. I'd say, hey, relax. God's got you. You don't need to be stressing out about all these things. How am I going to provide this? Provide this? God has you just meet with him, trust him, and slow down. It's going to be okay.
[00:10:04] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:10:05] Speaker B: And then I think about the current pressure that I feel to be a good dad, to be a good husband, to perform, to be successful. And I think, what would 40 year old David probably tell me? Yeah, probably the same exact thing. Relax. It's going to be okay. Trust God. He's got you. Slow down.
You know, it's like, it's just living with God 101.
We don't need to stress out. I talk a lot about the yoke that the Bible talks about. Yoke meaning, like, what you put on an ox, there's a righteous burden and there's an unrighteous burden. The righteous burden is a good weight of, like, ooh, this is important. And I think we should all have a righteous burden. Like, I'm dealing with. If I'm talking to someone about Jesus, that's a very important thing. I shouldn't carry that lightly. But an unrighteous burden is a heavy burden that I'm not supposed to take, which is this person's salvation is in my hands. No, it's not.
[00:11:10] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:11:11] Speaker B: And we can do that in anything. Like, you know, with. With your business. Your business.
Being a success is not something that's supposed to fall on you, because that falls into provision. And God said he will provide for you. He provides for the birds. Are you more important than a bird? Of course you are. You're a son. He's gonna provide for you. So what should you carry? You should carry the healthy weight of this person in front of me. God has brought them into my circle for whatever period of time they're gonna be here, and I can impart something to them. I don't wanna hold that lightly.
That's weighty. That's important. But I don't wanna take on the unrighteous burden to make it about me. And it's my responsibility. Cause it's not. And if we can truly walk in that balance of I have a healthy weight for what I'm carrying, but not an unhealthy burden, that it's my responsibility, I don't think we'd ever be stressed.
[00:12:04] Speaker A: Yeah, I think I can hear Sophie, my wife, in the background, saying, thank you, David.
[00:12:09] Speaker B: Say it louder for the background.
[00:12:11] Speaker A: For real? Because, yeah, I mean, that's an honest everyday battle.
[00:12:15] Speaker B: Totally.
[00:12:15] Speaker A: And just working with people and doing that within your families and gosh, man, it's, it can at times I think what you're saying, that like, that good righteous burden. Yeah. We, as just flesh and humans, end up turning that into something that feels, or the enemy turns that into something that feels like it's just an unriched burden, when really God's like, no, this is good, you know, step back, everything's gonna be okay, like you just said.
But, man, like, could you elaborate a little bit more? I'd love to hear kind of your, your position and what you're doing within your role at, uh, at Gateway. I know you had mentioned prior to this you guys reside here kind of in the, the Frisco area. The kind of work and where you're going to do a lot of. That's kind of throughout South Lake.
[00:13:08] Speaker B: Yeah, I've been at Frisco since Gateway, Frisco since 2011.
And I was the youth pastor for seven years and transitioned to the center for Israel. So what I do now, it's amazing. I love it. This podcast could take a very right turn. Cause I'll stay on this all day long. But I work at the center for Israel, and basically what I do, I'm the teaching pastor, and I spend most of my time developing content and teaching churches about God's heart for Israel. Because we say that the Bible is God's word and it's the word of God, and it's divinely inspired. But most christians live their life as really just the last one third of it is really the inspired part, like the New Testament. And we don't know what to do with the Old Testament, and most of that has to do with something called replacement theology, which is God chose Israel in the Old Testament, but really that was just to bring Jesus on board. And once he arrived, he came for the whole world, and he set up the church. And now the church is God's bride.
And there's truth to a lot of that. But what it does is it cuts Israel out of the story, and it doesn't take into consideration that God calls Israel. These are Old Testament scriptures. His firstborn, the apple of his eye, his special treasure, his land, his inheritance. So, like, really important things. Like, if you said, this is my treasure, the apple of my eye, my wife. Isaiah 51.
And then we think in our kind of modern theology, but that was like Old Testament, and now the church is his new bride.
[00:15:00] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
[00:15:01] Speaker B: Okay, so you're saying that Israel is his ex wife.
Does that sound like the covenantal, faithful God that we know and love, the one that will never leave us or forsake us, which, by the way, that scripture is talking about Israel.
[00:15:13] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:15:14] Speaker B: And we're like, wow, that's heavy when.
[00:15:17] Speaker A: You put it in that perspective.
[00:15:18] Speaker B: Yeah. And what it does is it makes the Bible about us. So we go to the Bible and we say, okay, God, what are you saying to me? Which is not a wrong way to read the Bible, but it's not a complete way to read the Bible because we're not the main characters of the story. God's the main character of the story. And God chose Israel. In Genesis twelve, he says, I chose Israel.
He really chose Abraham. And he said, abraham, I'm going to bless you and your descendants. This is Genesis twelve. And through you I'm going to bless the nations. So I'm going to use you to bless the nations.
And then he constantly reaffirms that with Abraham and then Isaac and then Jacob, he creates the jewish people. There's really only two distinctions in the Bible that everything is filtered through. There's male and female, and there's jew and gentile.
We're very comfortable with the male female. I mean, right now it's kind of under attack in the world.
[00:16:17] Speaker A: Yes. Yeah.
[00:16:18] Speaker B: But we know that there's two distinctions, male or female. We don't often think there's another huge distinction that is literally from Genesis twelve to revelation, and it's jew and gentile. Everyone fits into those two categories. No matter where you're from, what nation you descend from, what color your skin is, you're going to be male or female, and you're going to be jew or gentile. And Jewish means you go back to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
So those are godly distinctions.
And if it's a godly distinction, it's still important today. But people say all the time to us at the center for Israel, Galatians three, there is no longer jew or gentile. Okay, read the rest of that verse. There's no longer jew or gentile. There's no longer slave or free. There's no longer male or female.
Are we arguing that there's no longer male and female because we're in the New Testament now? No, because Galatians three isn't talking about God breaking down a distinction, it's about God breaking down a barrier.
Because male is not more important than female. A lot of people thought it was. Slave is not more important than free. A lot of people thought it, or free is not more important than slave. A lot of people thought it was. And jew is not more important than gentile. A lot of people thought it was. So Paul was saying there's no barrier to anyone coming to Jesus.
[00:17:35] Speaker A: Got it. Yeah.
[00:17:36] Speaker B: But we've taken it to mean, oh, there's no longer this distinction of jew and gentile. Now we're all something called Christians. If we follow Jesus, we're Christians.
Yes, we're christians. That we follow Jesus, but we follow christians. We follow Jesus as Jews and as gentiles. But churches don't view themselves as gentiles.
And so when a jewish person gives their life to Jesus, we tell them they're no longer Jewish.
[00:17:59] Speaker A: Okay. So if we. If just kind of dumb it down a little bit, how would you say to a church that doesn't understand that or correlating that correctly?
Yeah. How do you go about that kind of conversation? Cause I'm sure there could probably be some barriers or walls that could be placed up or some chest puffed.
[00:18:20] Speaker B: Yeah, totally.
I think the first thing that understanding Jew and Gentile does is it helps you actually read the Bible for what it is. And sometimes it takes a little bit of a gut check because we're like, oh, but I wanted it to be about me. But it's like, no, no.
When God tells Israel, I know the plans I have for you, plans to prosper you and give you a future and a hope, we can say, that's amazing. That's my life verse. Because that's what God says about those he's in covenant with. And now, because of what Jesus did, he's in covenant with me.
[00:18:58] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:18:59] Speaker B: So that scripture is still amazing, but we've been taught just. That's about you.
God said that about you. Not really. It's important to understand it correctly. The other thing it does is it changes the way we see jewish people right now, which, I mean, if you've been on the news at all, you know that there is anti jewish hatred all over the world. And here's my big question. Why?
Because it's. People say, well, it's not about the jewish people. It's about Israel. Okay, so what about the Holocaust? Because Israel didn't exist. So why were the Jews persecuted then? Well, in Europe, they, you know, they kind of controlled the banks. Okay, what about in the 14 hundreds when they were burning 300,000 Jews at the stake because they poisoned the whales and they started the black plague, which was obviously debunked. What about then?
Well, let me know if you go. Throughout history, the Jews are always attacked. Why?
I would say, because the Bible says, God says, they are my special treasure. They are the apple of my eye, they are my wife, they are my firstborn, they are my inheritance. He's constantly saying, these people are so important to me. Then you go to the New Testament, Romans 116. I am unashamed of the gospel of Jesus Christ, its power to salvation for all those who believe.
To the jew first and then to the Greek. We don't like to read that verse cause we don't understand it. Why is he saying to the jew first? That doesn't make me feel good. I want to say to David first, but it's not because God always has a priority. And then when, so you realize one, I can read the Bible correctly, and I know what to do with these Old Testament scriptures now that I've just made about me, and I've made them allegorical, and there's lots of christians I talk to. Old Testament's really good for allegory, but we don't. We're not supposed to apply it. Like, what?
Where does it say, you know, well, God used to do that, but he does something different, really. In Malachi, it says, I am the Lord. I never change. And we're like, well, so, like, none of our theology really works when we use replacement theology. So we understand the Bible, we understand why there's an attack on Israel and the jewish people, because they're so important to God. And if we say, I love God and God says, oh, cool, I have a special treasure, can I trust you with it? And we go, eh, it's kind of political. We don't really want to get into it. And we're like, I thought you said you love God. You're like, oh, he's the most important thing in my life. Well, here's something he can't stop saying he's in love with in the Old Testament. And we're like, I'm good. So it really doesn't look good on us that we claim to love God, but hate what he loves, because most anti Semitism and anti jewish hatred over the years has been done by christians.
So the enemy has used the adopted sons to persecute the first sons. Where have we heard that story in the Bible?
God chose Isaac.
And Ishmael didn't like it. God chose Jacob. Esau didn't like it. God chose Joseph. His brothers tried to kill him. So there's the story in scripture that when God chooses something, the ones who aren't chosen can either say, that's amazing. I'm going to support this. Or they can say, I hate that. I'm going to try to destroy it. And the church has been the other son.
Romans eight says, you've been adopted into the family. What family have we been adopted into? Israel. People don't think like that. They think, oh, I've been adopted into the family of God. Oh, that's cool. Who's the family of God?
[00:22:29] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:22:29] Speaker B: And they're like, that's awesome.
So the third thing that does is it allows us to understand Christians. Gentiles are supposed to be in partnership with Jews.
We don't think like that. When I say, what's the church? No one ever says partnership of Jews and gentiles. You know, that's what the New Testament was all about. The New Testament was this crazy revelation that when Jesus came, he made way for the Gentiles to come into the family as adopted sons. That's what the book of Romans is all about. You've been adopted into the family. What family? Israel. You are joint heirs. Whose joint heirs? I always read Romans eight that says we're joint heirs. Like me and Jesus are joint heirs. I'm a joint heir with Christ.
[00:23:14] Speaker A: I'm skipping along.
[00:23:15] Speaker B: No, you're not. You're a joint heir with Israel because they are the family. You've been brought in, adopted in the family. Romans eleven. There is a tree. It's a family tree. The natural branches are the jewish people. And then he says, you gentiles are wild olive branches just sitting on the floor. But Jesus came, and because of his sacrifice, you got to be put onto that tree and grafted into the Tree of Israel. And we're like, wow, a new covenant. And we're like, well, kind of. Not really. You're just now in the family. Yeah, it's the same covenant. It's the covenant of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. He's still the God of Abraham, Isaac. We just got to be put on the family.
[00:23:55] Speaker A: So, dude, that's a lot.
[00:23:58] Speaker B: Yeah, that's why I said this podcast could take a sharp turn, but.
[00:24:01] Speaker A: So how do you like kind of dissecting a little bit? You said you're finalizing a master's. Is that what you said?
[00:24:08] Speaker B: Master's degree.
[00:24:09] Speaker A: Okay.
There's gonna be so many ways you're taking that. You're creating content. Like, how are you kind of bridging the gap to modern day, to maybe churches and pastoral staff that's really leading from the forefront but also a day to day person? How are you just extrapolating that and coming alongside with grace and discernment. And where do you tell them to start?
[00:24:39] Speaker B: Well, we tell them to start with prayer because before you can really think through all this. Cause it kind of wrinkles your brain and it gives you what I believe is a proper lens to read scripture. But if you've been living life with rose colored glasses, to use the expression, and then I put on a blue colored glasses, you're gonna be like, dude, everything looks different. So we can fight that if it's only a intellectual conversation. So we tell people, pray first, because ask God, what's your heart for the jewish people? What's your heart for Israel? Cause if you do that and you're humble and submitted, you'll realize who he really cares about, the people that he chose.
[00:25:28] Speaker A: Yeah, that can be kind of a starting place to kind of change that lens, of course, like you mentioned.
[00:25:32] Speaker B: And it becomes a heart posture rather than just an intellectual pursuit, because there's even people that do get this revelation, and what they do is they start blowing shofars and celebrating the feasts and telling you you shouldn't celebrate Christmas. And they basically try to become jewish because they understood that God loves jewish people so much. And you're like, yeah, yes, but you're gentile. That's okay.
[00:25:58] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah.
[00:26:00] Speaker B: It's like, again, Paul uses the analogy of adoption. There was regular, you know, firstborn sons, Israel, and then we were adopted in. If I adopt children into my family, they're my sons and my daughters, and I don't love them any more, any less than my original. But they're different. Of course they are.
[00:26:20] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:26:20] Speaker B: Like, think about if you adopted a child from another country that has another skin color.
[00:26:24] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:26:25] Speaker B: Don't try to act like I don't see any difference. Like, no, there's a difference. But you don't love them anymore any less. They're all your sons and daughters now. And what if your adopted sons and daughters said, why do you still care about, you're a firstborn?
Like, you're biological? You'd be like, yeah, they're so special to me.
[00:26:49] Speaker A: How could I not?
[00:26:50] Speaker B: Yeah. And we're like, but you chose us. And you're like, well, I wanted you both. Again, I think the thing that the reason this kind of constantly comes out in my life is because when you go back to the two major distinctions in the Bible, there's jew gentile, and there's male female. And the whole point of making male female was you're supposed to bless each other, serve one another, sharpen one another, and that process is not always a fun process. You've been married now long enough to know that there's always ups and downs. But what is the reward at the end of it, you're so much better. Cause you're together. And she sharpens areas that are weak in you and you sharpen areas that are weak in her. We've been supposed. We should have been doing that for the past 1700 years. Jews and gentiles should have been walking with one another. Because if you sit with a messianic jew, a jewish believer in Jesus, and read the scripture with them, dude, you're like, I thought I knew God before I started this conversation.
[00:27:55] Speaker A: I wanna do that now.
[00:27:56] Speaker B: You should. That's what we're supposed to do, but we basically push them aside if you wanna get historical. In 325 Ad, Constantine decided when basically Rome was becoming christian. He literally said, we have nothing to do with the detestable jewish crowd. And from that point forward, we've lived in this dichotomy that Jews stay Jews and christians stay christians. So we're working to kind of fix that.
[00:28:23] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:28:24] Speaker B: And it's beautiful.
[00:28:25] Speaker A: Are there. I mean, where. Are there other kind of, I'm gonna say organizations or other guys like yourself that are really kind of bringing this to life, trying to connect it to the modern day theology and just culture and all of that?
[00:28:41] Speaker B: Yeah, there's a lot of great ministries and churches that. I mean, there's not a ton, sadly, because we're all, you know, we all go back to the Catholic Church. And I'm not trying to dog on the catholic church, but we kind of. The church kind of goes as far back as 300 Ad, and we don't really go back even further. So we've just kind of grown in this lens. It's kind of like fitness. Like, if you grew up in a family that didn't eat healthy and didn't work out, it takes a lot to shift that mentality, for sure. Cause we're all just a product of the culture we grew up in. So the church is a product of the culture we grew up in. And every sermon we hear on the Old Testament is about how you're David and you're dead as Goliath. And that's kind of all the Old Testament really is, is good analogies. And then we're gonna spend 90% of the time on the New Testament. And where's Israel fit in this? Well, we're the new Israel. And that's been an actual theology for years, is we are the new spiritual Israel.
We're not and I think where it comes with most churches is we all want jesus to come back. Well, Jesus in Matthew 25 is weeping over the city of Jerusalem, and he says, oh, I wish that you would have listened to me. It's essentially what he says. And he says, I would have gathered you under my wings like a mother, hence, but you rejected me. And then he says this crazy statement. He says, I will, you know, he says, you will not see me again until you cry out, blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord, which is a reference to a psalm, Baruch Haba B'shem Adonai, which is the jewish people crying out for their savior. Yeah, so people say, when's Jesus coming back? When's Jesus coming back? When do you think Jesus coming back? And we're like, well, you know, the solar eclipse and, you know, we got all the blood moons. Like, they just start grabbing stuff out of thin air, which there's importance to all of these things Jesus says is gonna happen. But bottom line, he doesn't come back until the jewish people cry for him.
The jewish people right now are an unreached people group with the gospel.
Zero 1% believe that Jesus is the messiah. Now, why do they not believe that?
How have christians shown them the gospel? For 1700 years, we've been the number one persecutors.
The Holocaust, the Nazis were self proclaimed christians. They wore belts that said, God is with us. No one teaches this. Martin Luther, hero of the faith, did amazing things, not taken away anything that he did. He also wrote a book called the Jews and their lies, where he said that we should kill them by the millions.
The inquisition, we killed 300,000. The church killed 300,000 Jews. Cause they wouldn't convert.
Same thing in Spain, same thing in Portugal. So, like, we've shown them, you killed Jesus. So if you ask most Israelis, who is Jesus? They'll say, the Catholic God. They don't even know he's jewish because we never. We don't think of him as jewish. We think of him as the son of God.
But he's jewish.
He still is jewish. He comes back in revelation as the lion of the tribe of Judah.
Jew. Duh. He never stopped being jewish. But we just don't think like that. And so part of our mission is we have to change the way the church understands Jesus because the jewish people will never cry out for him if they don't even think he's jewish. They're waiting for the Messiah, and they don't think it's Jesus. Cause that blonde haired blue eyed guy that I see in the catholic church.
He's the mashiach of Israel. I don't think so. But we've lost the true essence of who Jesus was as a man because gentiles tend to focus on the divine and the jewish people tend to focus on the ground and the earth and the land and what's happening. So we have to paint a picture of Jesus that is authentic because until the jewish people cry out for him, he ain't coming back.
[00:33:01] Speaker A: Yeah. So, man, how could you encourage kind of just a day to day person, just a one person listen to a podcast like this of like where to start, what to look for kind of within maybe the church that they're at. Good things and just things to maybe be kind of more stepped back on. And where could you encourage them to kind of start on?
Yeah, just some steps that they can take internally and maybe within their friend groups. It's heavy.
[00:33:31] Speaker B: It is heavy. Well, we have a website and a YouTube channel called the center for Israel, justcenterforisrael.com. and we have like 150 videos up now. And they're usually like two minutes long, three minutes long, five minute long. We just launched a masterclass, which is 920 minutes videos to kind of get people a grip on this whole understanding. So that's a good place to start. But I think, again, start with prayer. And the reason I think that this is not just cause some people, they hear this and they're like, it's really niche, you know, like your whole job is about Israel, but as believers, it's like, yeah, the whole Bible's kind of about the God of Israel, so it can feel niche. But the reason it's not is because I always bring it back to marriage. In Genesis twelve, God told Abraham, I'm going to make the jewish people out of you to bless the nations. And then in Romans eleven, do you know what it says about the gentiles? It says, the only reason I let you in is so that Israel would come back.
So notice there's a calling for the Jews, and there's a calling for gentiles. The calling for the Jews was, I'm going to make you my people because I want the gentiles to be saved. And then in Romans eleven, he says, hey, guys, gentiles, the only reason you're saved is because I want Israel saved.
What does that mean? God doesn't want us to think about ourselves.
What does he tell husbands? Husbands, love your wives the way Christ loved the church and died for her wives honor your husbands submit to him is the way that the church submits to Christ. Notice their calling is not about themselves. He doesn't say, husbands, be the best husband that you can be. Be the sharpest husband, the most loving husband. He doesn't. He says, your calling is not about you, it's about your wife.
And then he takes your wife to the room and says, hey, your calling is 100% about your husband.
But we're a very selfish race. We're a selfish, especially in the west. I feel like we're even more selfish. Everything's about us, and we want to make it about us. And we've made the bible about us. We've made our marriages about us. Most marriages end in divorce because they weren't fulfilling my needs. Even though you walked down the altar and you said what should be. Very sobering words.
Sickness and health, rich or poorer, till death do us part. We think they're romantic. They're not supposed to be. They're supposed to be sobering. You're signing up for this if it's better or worse, richer or poorer, sickness or in health. Because what a marriage is, is two people submitting their will and their life to serve the other.
[00:36:24] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:36:24] Speaker B: It has the potential to be very toxic, because if you have one person submitting and one person receiving, that's what they told us in science class, was a parasitic relationship. Remember that? You learned about all those different relationship people have.
In a perfect world, here's what marriage is supposed to look like.
You never think about your needs. You only think about Sophie's.
And she never thinks about her needs. She only thinks about yours. What does that create? Two people fully satisfied with all of their needs met, and no one's being selfish.
[00:37:04] Speaker A: Easier said than done, totally.
[00:37:07] Speaker B: But that's what we're striving for. Yeah, and there's no perfect marriage on earth. But that's the picture that God tried to give us. Because if you can make this not about you, but make it about somebody else, what does Jesus say? You want to find your life?
Lay it down. This principle is all throughout scripture. And it's the same with Jews and Gentiles. He says, jews, you're going after the nations. This is not about you. And we've taken that and said, see? It's not about them, it's about us. Read romans eleven. He tells gentiles, gentiles, this is not about you. This is about Israel. So he's trying to get us to a place where we're no longer selfish. And we constantly fight him on that. So, like, how this comes into every day is every day I have to remind myself this is not about me. Just like we talked about at the beginning, the burdensome of life, that it shouldn't be mine. Jesus never wanted it to be mine. And the problem when scripture says you are to be a living sacrifice, the problem with a living sacrifice is we always try to climb off of the altar. We're supposed to stay on the altar, and every day, all right, I'm here. I'm a sacrifice. This is not about me. But every morning, we get out of bed and we try to climb out of the altar to make it about us again. And so there's a constant daily discipline.
[00:38:28] Speaker A: Yeah, I feel like this is very heavy, but also very, like, just the way that you described it has just given me a lot of white and black. Like, yeah, start with prayer. Yeah, just serve your wife. Yeah, she should serve you. And again, as we just mentioned, that's so much easier said than done.
And just, what are some additional steps or just, like, through that prayer, through just kind of the internal audit, if you'll call it. Totally. Like, where have you seen. Maybe seen some fruit through that, through you and Michaela's relationship that has allowed you guys to have three beautiful girls and work through the madness and chaos. I saw a funny meme. I shared this with my wife last night of, like, yeah, when I try to talk to my husband, and then it went to this, like, duck or another character just, like, quacking away. And I'm like, man, I feel that, like, every time I try to have an eye to eye conversation really quick with Sophie or I want to share something with her about my day, it's interrupted with these adorable little boys. But at times, you're like, gosh. And literally, just the other day, she told me when I saw her, she was like, I miss you. And there was so much more weight to that because it was like, yeah, I see you every day. I sleep by you every night.
I miss you. So could you add some value there, dude?
[00:39:47] Speaker B: You're teeing it up, because the most important relationship in our life is God. How many christians never have intimate time with God?
He's just around.
Ask your wife, is it cool if I work from home every day this week, but I'm not gonna ever be able to talk to you or look at you? And then at the end of the week, you say, we spent the whole week together.
Is that going to fly?
[00:40:16] Speaker A: No.
[00:40:17] Speaker B: Is that going to be like, you're right. We have spent the whole week together, we're good. She's going to be like, yeah, you've been here.
[00:40:22] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:40:23] Speaker B: But we never connected.
[00:40:25] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:40:25] Speaker B: So to answer your question, the most important moment of our day is our time with God. And it doesn't need to be an hour and a half.
If you connect with your wife for 20 minutes on the couch, face to face, that'll keep you going for a while.
That'll keep you going that day. It'll keep you going until at least that evening if you have a good sit down, face to face, eye to eye, heart to heart connection. And we need that every single day. I think when I was a young believer and follower of Jesus, I kind of had this idea that, like, God wanted me to do this and, like, almost like he needed me to do this. He needs to connect with me. The older I've gotten, the more I'm like, no, no. God knows if I don't connect with him, I'm not going to be a good husband, I'm not going to be a good father, I'm not going to be a good pastor, I'm not going to be a good business person, because I'm just going to be in my flesh.
There's a little tidbit. I've heard people talk about that anytime the bible says put on something, it means you don't wake up with it.
And it says to put on love, put on grace, to put on the full armor of God. So all, every single day, we wake up and we're just bare again. It's just our flesh, and we need to put it on. And so every single day. And here's what often shocks people. And I won't even use me. I'll use, like, my heroes, like Robert Morris, Jack Hayford, who passed away, who's like a giant in the faith. His quiet time was 15 minutes.
And you probably would see how he talks with God and the way he knows scripture and be like, dude, this dude probably sits down for 3 hours with his coffee and just tears into scripture. He doesn't. Cause he's got a job.
And if you have kids and a job and a spouse, dude, you're not getting 3 hours a day reading scripture. Yeah, that's just unrealistic. And so what most christians that I talk to is like, man, if I can't get like a good 35, 45 minutes, like, I'll do it tomorrow, dude, it probably ain't coming. Yeah, but if you can do five minutes of scripture, five minutes of prayer, five minutes of worship every morning. Cause you have 15 minutes. Yeah, dude. 30 days from now, your life will be changed because you've just connected with the creator of the universe. How do we walk? Humbly. You create with the God that created the universe, and you don't walk out feeling like you're the man anymore. How do I serve my wife and not be so selfish? Well, get with the person that created your wife, and that's his daughter, and you better treat her well. How can I be a good father? I don't even know what to do. I don't know what decisions to make. Well, speak with the one who said, anyone who seeks wisdom, ask, and I will pour it out abundantly.
Ask him. And we're like, oh, is it that easy? It is.
It's hard to wake up early. I mean, we're in that season where if we want to get 15 minutes, I'm waking up at 530.
If I also want to get a workout in. So you have to just orient your life by your priority. And the last little tidbit that I'll say is, God showed me years ago, and it's changed my life.
He said, priorities or no. What did he say? He said, oh, that's what it was. He said, busyness doesn't change your priorities. It reveals them.
[00:43:58] Speaker A: Oh.
[00:43:59] Speaker B: Because sometimes I would convince myself, like, God's number one. Been super busy recently, so I haven't really had time to, like, you know, to connect with the Lord, but, like, he's my number one.
[00:44:09] Speaker A: Yeah. Really?
[00:44:10] Speaker B: Do you find time to eat? Do you find time to watch that Netflix show? Do you find time to work out? Do you find time to watch a movie? Do you find time to work? Okay, so busyness didn't change anything. It just revealed the true priority, because you will always do what's important to you.
[00:44:29] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:44:30] Speaker B: So don't take that as condemnation. Oh, my goodness. So much shame. Like, I can't believe God's not my number one. No, no. Take it as a conviction. What conviction literally means is to convince there's a better way. God never condemns us. He convicts us. He says, hey, I have something better for you. So when you're super busy and you look back and say, I haven't spent time with God in five days. Cause I've been super busy, I guess God's not my number one. Let's change that.
[00:45:00] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:45:01] Speaker B: So don't feel ashamed of it. Change it.
[00:45:04] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:45:04] Speaker B: Repent.
[00:45:04] Speaker A: Say that again. The conviction.
[00:45:06] Speaker B: Conviction literally means to convince there's a better way.
[00:45:10] Speaker A: Awesome.
[00:45:10] Speaker B: That's what God. I mean, that's what God's always doing. And we think of it as like, oh, he's bringing judgment. No, he's saying, I have something better for you.
[00:45:17] Speaker A: Yeah. I think our human nature is. We might have that feeling, like, oh, I haven't done that. I spent intimate time with him five days a month, a year, or whatever. Yeah. He's a sermon that our pastor, we go to citizens church over in Plano, and one of the analogies used during one of the sermons was fog. And, like, fog is this. Like, we see it, we know it's there, but, like, we can't fully grasp it. Yeah. And it was an amazing. It was a great word. And it's like, like, you kind of mentioned going back to where, like, yeah, God's my number one. He's. I see he's here. You know, I'm. I'm there with him, but I'm aware of him. Yeah. And I loved kind of that. The different analogy you said with the conviction where our human nature and where Satan wants us to go is to take it on as a shame in this bad burden. I've got to hide that, or I am doing these things that are important and are good, and then it just ends up going back into that cycle.
[00:46:09] Speaker B: You want to know the scripture that we misinterpreted to get? That is Genesis in the Garden of Eden. We read it as they sinned, so God kicked them out of the garden.
And that's our view of the story. So that's shame based. Right. Because they were ashamed of their nakedness.
[00:46:27] Speaker A: Yeah. In regards to the shame, what I've just mentioned. Okay. Yeah.
[00:46:31] Speaker B: So they sinned. They felt shame.
[00:46:33] Speaker A: Uh huh. Adam and Eve.
[00:46:35] Speaker B: And then he kicks him out of the garden. Here's what scripture actually says.
They sinned. And how did they sin? They believed that God was withholding something because the enemy said, well, God just doesn't want you to be like him.
[00:46:50] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:46:50] Speaker B: And if you eat from it, you'll be like him, which is a lie, because they already were made in his image. So then they sin. God asks the question, where are you? Which he knew where they were. He was asking more emotionally, where are you at right now?
And they said, well, I'm ashamed at my nakedness. And he said, who told you you were naked? Meaning, what other voice did you invite into this conversation that wasn't mine?
And then what does God do? He clothes them. So he actually covers their shame. That's not condemnation. That's not judgment. He covered them. What did he have to do to cover them. It says he covered them with animal clothing. He had to do a sacrifice. So the very first sacrifice is hidden in the fall because God had to take an animal and had to sacrifice it and then use that animal, that sacrifice sound like Jesus to cover them. And then it says, and then he put them out of the garden.
And the next sentence we just read right over. So they wouldn't eat from the tree of life. Why is that important? Because when you eat from the tree of life, you stay forever in the state that you're in. God said, I'm not having you in a sinful state. Stay in that forever. You're now outside of the garden. Because now I have to work a redemption plan. And where's the tree of life? It shows up in revelation. We're going to eat from it again in our redeemed state.
God's never shaming, bringing this, you know, this shame and condemnation. He's covering us. He's asking us, where are you right now? What other voices have you brought into this? And then he's working constantly for our redemption so that we can be made new and redeemed forever with him.
We just. We just. We misread it.
[00:48:37] Speaker A: Mic drop.
Gosh, that's good. That is awesome. Yeah, well, man, I honestly, like, that's. That puts it right there. I mean, that's so good. And I'm gonna definitely go back and relisten to this myself, you know? But, dude, it's just, gosh, man, that's a lot to process.
[00:49:00] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:49:01] Speaker A: And it's just so cool to see, like, just this, what everything you've kind of been doing and just the heart that you've had to just continue this. I'm sure just for you, I'm sure you can maybe share a little bit on. Just, like, the work that you're doing is an uphill climb.
[00:49:20] Speaker B: Totally.
[00:49:20] Speaker A: It's a slippery slope in the sense that you're putting in so much effort to create and bring to light just some deep, deep truth. And, man, I just want to encourage you and say, keep waking up every day and putting on that armor because I'm even more fascinated myself to just dive into that YouTube channel that you mentioned to just continue to learn more. And using the 555 analogy, I don't know if you've shared that before, but I think that's really good for the listeners.
[00:49:54] Speaker B: I literally, I would put a timer on for the first couple months, maybe even a couple years that I was doing my quiet time. I put a five minute countdown timer because you'll find you worship, prayer, and reading. You'll find that you like to do one of them. That's the one that you really like. So for me, it's scripture. I could read scripture all day.
[00:50:14] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:50:15] Speaker B: When I start praying, I get in my own head and I'm thinking about something else immediately. But some people, like my mom, pray all day long. They love praying, but reading scripture, they feel like, you know, it's just like anthrax. It just puts them to sleep. So we all have different bends, for sure. And if you're not disciplined at the beginning, you'll just do the one thing that you're comfortable with, but you'll read scripture, but never connect with him in worship. You'll pray, but you'll never read his word. So I would literally do this five minute countdown. I would read scripture, and it would be like.
And I'd be like, oh, this gives so good. I can't believe it's just five minutes. And then I would start praying, be like, is this timer off? What is. Oh, man. It's been a minute. Like, I felt like I was going for 20.
[00:51:04] Speaker A: That's awesome.
[00:51:04] Speaker B: And kind of like fitness, you realize where you're weak.
[00:51:07] Speaker A: Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:51:08] Speaker B: You get that guy who comes in here and does bench press, and you put him under a squat rack, and you're like, you didn't work this out very much, have you?
[00:51:13] Speaker A: Yeah. You're feeling kind of just your comfort and your ego of what you're good at or what you naturally like.
[00:51:18] Speaker B: And so that five by five not only helped me have a concise time with the Lord, and then if my kids ran in, I, like, I still. I can go more than 15. There's many times I do, of course, but I at least know that I connected with him in a really unique way that I can replicate every day. And I'm not going to just be on the bench press.
[00:51:39] Speaker A: That's awesome.
[00:51:40] Speaker B: So that was really helpful for me. And obviously, now he's taking me in a different journey. Our relationship with God's going to look different, and that's okay. You probably don't go to the same date spot that you went five years ago with your wife, and you probably don't talk about the same things, and you probably have certain seasons where you only had a little connection time. But, dude, we're gonna be retired one day. Our kids are gonna be in the house. We're gonna have lots of connection time. So in the times where we're really disciplined, we need to speak with him throughout the day, the times where we're constantly just speaking throughout the day, you need to add some discipline in your life, and we don't need to make it just so black and white, but live in this kind of healthy tension.
[00:52:17] Speaker A: Yep. That's great, man. And I think that probably kind of aligns with kind of as we conclude that the last question I always ask is based off of where you are, where you're going, what you've done, some additional factors or key factors that you could add value or think could add value to the audience. I mean, I think you just touched on a handful of others. So if you had any others to kind of conclude us, we'd appreciate it.
[00:52:39] Speaker B: The big one that I was thinking about was, the definition of success is for followers of Jesus, but not just in our relationship with God. In every area, business, family, finance.
To a follower of Jesus, the definition of success is one word, obedience.
Anytime we make it something else, we tempt ourselves to fall into a ditch.
[00:53:11] Speaker A: Okay? Yeah.
[00:53:12] Speaker B: So, for my world, I preach and I teach.
If my definition of success is how many people say amen or how many people clap, or how many people come up to me after and say, great word, man, great word. That was crazy, then I am allowing success to be shaped by what people say it is.
[00:53:36] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:53:37] Speaker B: And therefore, I will start seeking for their approval. And if God tells me, hey, I want you to talk about this subject, but that's not really gonna get a rise from the crowd, then I won't do it, and then I'll be in disobedience, which is God's definition of unsuccessful. So I have to make my aim obedience to what God told me to do. And if I was obedient, I was successful, even if no one came to me after. What about financially? Well, the world tells me that I have to have a certain marker. That means I'm successful, and that marker changes based on what nation you're in, based on what neighborhood you're in. But we have this idea that this is what success is. Talk to any of the richest people in the world. They're still trying to find out what that thing is, what that ladder is. They're still wanting to be bezos, even though they're multimillionaire, because that's not success. Success is, did you do what God told you to do, and if God told you to give away, or God told you to invest, or God told you to sow seed here, and you did that, even if you didn't get the house, that was obedience. I know people that sold everything and moved to a new city that God called them to. And they were worse off financially than when they were in their spot. They know it's success because their market for success is not the world's. So whatever, however that looks in your life, that needs to be our one word definition, because then we can sleep at night. And something you kind of spoke to is like, you know, right now my job is centered around Israel. That's a hot topic. And let me tell you, it doesn't get a lot of encouraging comments in the comment section.
[00:55:26] Speaker A: Tell me more.
[00:55:27] Speaker B: So most of the comments are very aggressive, hateful, and I have to remind myself, what's my definition of success?
It's doing what God told me to do, and then I'm not going to be shaken by what a person thinks. I'm submitted. I have people that I'm submitted to in my life, and if they tell me, hey, you're off on that, then I'll 100% be off.
Which would probably lead me to my second most important kind of takeaway is be submitted. We have to be submitted. God did everything in submission. And God even says in scripture, all authority is from God, which is a crazy scripture if you start thinking about it. Especially that Nero was on the throne killing christians when Paul said that all authorities from God. And then it says, and if you bless them, you bless God. But those are two blanks.
If you feel something in this blank, it happens in this blank, too.
[00:56:34] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:56:35] Speaker B: All authority is from God. If you reject them, you reject God. If you disobey them, you disobey God. If you follow them, you follow God. If you honor them, you honor God.
No one wants to talk about this because we have a victim mentality. And so we want to talk about leadership, abuse, spiritual abuse. And those things are real. And we are called by God to leave authority. If it's illegal or immoral or unbiblical, those are our three outs. Illegal, immoral, unbiblical. Not hard.
Yeah, not. They're an idiot.
[00:57:13] Speaker A: Yeah.
We have a steps program at our church, and they share this analogy. One of the visuals that we have there, it kind of aligns with what you're just saying is the difference between the passive heart and the active heart. And the kind of filters are like our spiritual, personal, and it kind of goes deeper to like, the heart and how the passive heart looks at how everything else has affected my spiritual, affected how I was raised, and all of those things where the active heart is looking more towards, like, man. What has God, the redemption of what he's done.
[00:57:49] Speaker B: Yeah, totally.
[00:57:50] Speaker A: All those things. And it aligns exactly with kind of what you're saying.
[00:57:53] Speaker B: Yeah. And we are a very uncemited culture. You know, our bosses are idiots, our parents are idiots, you know, but that's our rebellion inside of us. But if we understand that God is using authority to sharpen us, to kill something off in us, you start reading scripture, and you realize Saul was trying to kill David. But God didn't get rid of Saul for a long time. And David said, I am not going to kill Saul, even though he had many opportunities, because he understood authority. That's God's authority in my life. And God was trying to use Saul to kill something inside of David.
And when God called Moses to go free the Israelites in the burning bush, he said, I am sending you. Literally, I am. I am the. I am. I am sending you. Go tell Pharaoh. Let my people go. You know, the next place Moses goes, Jethro, his dad, his father in law. And he says, is it well with you if I go?
Dude, if anyone could play the God card and be like, I don't care what you say. I don't care that I'm your little shepherd and Midian. God told me to go to Egypt. I'm going. He understood authority. He said, is it okay if I go? Because God will never tell you. Unless it's illegal, immoral, and biblical. God will never tell you. Forget your authority.
God's calling you to do this because scripture says all authority is from God.
[00:59:19] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:59:20] Speaker B: So it's these. You can tell. I like the scriptures that we don't like to wrestle with. I love wrestling with friction ones. Oh, come on. Bring it on.
[00:59:28] Speaker A: Yeah, that's good. Well, man, I know we could probably keep going forever.
[00:59:32] Speaker B: I know we're probably way over time. I'm sorry.
[00:59:33] Speaker A: We're great. We're right on time. But, dude, I really appreciate you coming on and just the work that you're doing. And now, Jay, one of my. I've trained a lot of amazing attorney clients, and one of the phrases he always uses is, like, digging the ditch. Like, he's got to wake up every day and dig the ditch to service clients. And he's obviously trading his time for the value of his service. And in a similar but different way, I am, too, with the work that I do. So I ask him every day, I'm like, did you dig the ditch today? Like, did you get some big shovels with the excavator? Or was it like, little kitty shovels? You know, every day it's different digs and different punches and stuff. But, man, I'm just grateful for the ditch that you're digging. And some days, I'm sure it's probably. There's more hard days than there are easy ones. But, man, I appreciate it. I appreciate you coming here. And where could we find you? Social media platform.
[01:00:26] Speaker B: Yeah, social media.
David Bliss. Mikayla and I have a TikTok together where we talk a lot about marriage. David and Michaela.
[01:00:35] Speaker A: Okay.
[01:00:35] Speaker B: M I k a y l a. But yeah. David Bliss on Instagram, Facebook, and center for Israel on YouTube. And it's just centerforisrael.com. and that'll start the slow dig with the little kitty shovels into this world of Israel.
[01:00:54] Speaker A: They all add up for sure. Well, sweet, man. Thank you so much for being here, guys. Thank you all for listening to the proper form podcast episode number six with David Belize. We're excited for you all to hear about this and thanks for tuning in.
